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    Psalm 147:7 "Sing to the Lord with grateful praise"
    Psalm 104:33 "I will sing to the LORD as long as I live. I will praise my God to my last breath!"

    Songs are a vital part of how the church teaches, exhorts and encourages one another. (Col 3:16, Ephesian 5v19, 1 Cor 14 v 26)

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Praise – the fruit of worship

“Praise – the fruit of worship”.

Understanding New covenant worship.

I decided to tackle the ever elusive, most used, referance to worship

- John 4″yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshippers will worship the father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and His worshippers must worship in spirit and truth” (Jn 4 23, 24).

After grappling with what Jesus is really saying and never being satisfied with most interpretations I think it’s almost quite obvious now, if you look at the context.

Most interpretations go for :worship must be by heart and head (Spirit & truth) emotions based on true perceptions of God etc. All very useful , but not true to what I think Jesus is ultimately saying.

Unfortunately, due to our church culture, we automatically interpret the word worship as what we do on a Sundays. We apply it to mostly how we praise God, or even worse – we think of worship as a place we need to work our way into.

Understanding that the English word “worship”(worth-ship: to attribute worth to an object) used by William Tyndale was based only on one of many words – to the greek word “proskuneo” – meaning to bow down, pay homage to.

It expresses continuous submission to the Lordship of Christ. It’s not about what we do on Sundays. What we do on Sundays is part of how we worship (express devotion/allegiance to Christ) by being part of His church. We don’t go to worship … we are worshippers.

Every believer is a worshipper. I’m tired of hearing about 24/7 worship, or that “we don’t worship on sundays but everday in the week”. It’s a given – why are we even talking about it?

What brand of Christianity are we preaching? As if Jesus ever gave us a choice when we want to worship. (ie. live our lives in service to the King). The other Greek word used mostly for worship in the NT. was “Latreuo” – serve.

You gotta serve somebody “ – Bob Dylan.

Everybody is a worshipper of something/one even if it’s themselves (particularly atheists), we serve Jesus.

To love God is to serve Him. Worship then is about loving God whole-heartedly.

MT 22:37 Jesus replied: ” `Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: `Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

DT 6:13 “Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; 15 for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.”

Master means “total rights to rule“. “If he is not Lord of all, His not Lord at all”

-Matt 4:10, “Thou shalt worship the lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve.”

- MT 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

- Deny ourselves take up our cross daily (Lord of all) & follow Him (Luke 9v23),

- Loosing our lives (Matt 10v 39),(John 12:24 – 26)

Crucified with Christ (Gal 2v20)

This is worship – we don’t decide. I am no longer my own . I was bought with a price and belong to Him . I am a slave to Christ.

Ok so you get my point worship is about devotion.

This is why I probably prefer not calling myself a worship leader. I’d hope to be like Paul and say “imitate the way I worship” (serve/submit) but that is clearly not what we mean when we Praise leader’s call ourselves worship leaders. Biblically speaking I’m a Praise/Music Director.(see the Psalms … for the Music Director). Nothing more or less- serving(worshipping) God with the gifts He has given me.

Ok ..that’s enough for now … Let’s keep it rolling till next time.

I think it’s gonna be entitled …”The grace way to worship”

 

The graceway to worship

The grace way to worship continued.

John 4 v 24: God is a spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth.

In my October blog, I started exploring what was really meant by Jesus’ discussion with the Samaritan woman on worship.

As I said, we have done the typical isolating of a text and have created nice notions about it, but not getting to grips with it.
I have looked at the whole story and to me it is clear to see that the discussion is a contrast in outlooks. There’s this constant Physical vs. Spiritual going on.
Firstly the women thinks Jesus is talking about physical water, but He is speaking about spiritual water that He brings. They then move on to temple discussions. The physical place where worship should take place.
The women doesn’t get it, she is not spiritualy minded at all it seems. So Jesus throws in the word of knowledge, which jolts here into understanding that Jesus is a prophet. There’s something more going on here!!
It’s at this point Jesus starts bringing the revelation. He gets to the crux of worship and begins talking about where salvation comes from and in essence, indicates that it has arrived!
He touches on the Jewish/Samaratin issue and makes a statement which I think says, salvation, access to God, real worship, is available to everyone. Not only for Jews!

He takes it further and now this is where it gets exciting.
He starts talking about Himself. This passage on worship is about Jesus. Not how we do church!Worship must always be about Him and nothing less (or more!)

It is in the context of temples ie. forms of worship that Jesus makes this popular statement. The nature of worship is that God is a spirit. Physical forms, rituals, religious practices cannot do it.
Jesus is the fulfillment of temple worship. The physical foreshadows are now being taken over into the Spiritual. Outward acts of access to the Father are now over. The Father is seeking those who worship through Jesus, His Spirit and not the externals. This is the grace way of worship. Temple worship was largely about the sacrifice. Offering up of sacrifices for guilt of sin and then there were also Thank offerings.
Heb 9:11 “But Christ having appeared as a High Priest of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation,
Heb 9:12 nor through the blood of goats and of calves, but through His own blood, He entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having procured everlasting redemption.”

I won’t go into the temple imagery and how it is fulfilled in Christ now (later maybe) but I think in context, this is what Jesus is dealing with here.
Now that He is here. No more sacrifices. He will be our everything in order to truely worship and have access to the Father.

Summed up in John 1:17 “For the Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”

Jesus goes onto say … true worship has arrived. The hour has come. I am here.
“Joh 4:26 Jesus said to her, I AM! the One speaking to you.”

When Jesus talks about truth, He is talking about Himself. I have heard interpretations on how worship must be inspired by the truth of who God is . Nothing wrong with that, but that’s not what Jesus is saying here.

Joh 4:25 The woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming, the One called Christ. When that One comes, He will announce to us all things.
Jesus speaks of Himself as THE Truth in John 14 v6: “Jesus said to him, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John obviously gets this theme as it is mentioned often in the gospel. Jesus is the word, the truth of God. He is the very representation of the Father. Everything true about God is found in Jesus. He is the Divine Expressed. John speaks of Jesus as being, The One and only son of God. He is the Christ, Messiah our saviour.

Joh 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth.”
So to me when we worship in Spirit and truth. It is saying we worship no more through the Physical, but by a The spiritual way, by God’s Spirit, received through the TRUTH which is Christ!

I find it interesting how Jesus reveals this to the non-Jew. Ultimately He knew His own would not get it.

Sometimes I think we as Christians don’t get it.
We have placed ritual, forms and traditions,yes even charasmatics, in place of Jesus.

We think that we have to do certain things. Sing 2 fast songs, 2 medium ones and 3 slow ones to get into the holy of holies. We even have the notion of going “to church” as though they are the temples where we get to meet with the Father. NO!!!
We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Daily, always having access to the Father.
It is only through the blood of Jesus. The curtain is torn. No other way. It is the grace way to worship. True worship is only through Jesus. Don’t try anything else. The Father is pleased with His Son and not our weak offerings.
“Phil 3:3 For we are the circumcision, the ones who worship by the Spirit of God, and who glory in Christ Jesus, and who do not trust in flesh.”

Access to the Father isn’t even about the songs we sing!!!Songs assist us in communing not union, that’s Jesus’ work.

When we gather together as God’s church, we are not there performing worship rituals. We need to get out of the mindset that we are there gaining access to, trying to get intot he holy of holies. Our place, our postion , our pivelege is settled. We are in Christ. When we gather we need to remind ourselves, tell our souls to commune. I am positionaly exactly in the same place in a church meeting as at home, in a fast song as in a slow song. The only difference is a relational/communal postion.
We have been brought near …how through the blood of Christ. Not our feelings or works.

We could take this onto Romans 12 and explore the worship and sacrifice.
But for now . It is settled . JESUS Is THE WAY, the TRUTH and LIFE. Salvation comes only through Him. Worship can only happen Through Him by those who have His Spirit.